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| Feedback on availability for the next workshop : Options  November 7, 8, 14, 15 or Decembre 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 || ASAP || All partners  
 
| Feedback on availability for the next workshop : Options  November 7, 8, 14, 15 or Decembre 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 || ASAP || All partners  
 
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| Codelist : Agree on high-level values|| Before next workshop ||  All partners
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| Codelist : Agree on high-level values. Plan an online meeting|| Before next workshop ||  Luca, Usman, Lydia CSTB, Emilien CSTB, Romain, Mariam, Joachim
 
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|  Dedicated WG/online meeting on simulation results and measurements + create milestone on Github || Before next workshop ||  Kanish, Joachim, Pascal, Romain
 
|  Dedicated WG/online meeting on simulation results and measurements + create milestone on Github || Before next workshop ||  Kanish, Joachim, Pascal, Romain
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<b>[mailto:romain.nouvel@hft-stuttgart.de Romain Nouvel]</b> (HFT Stuttgart)<br/>
 
<b>[mailto:romain.nouvel@hft-stuttgart.de Romain Nouvel]</b> (HFT Stuttgart)<br/>
 
<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:20170523_Introduction_EnergyADE_Grenoble.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
 
<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:20170523_Introduction_EnergyADE_Grenoble.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
* Mentimeter quiz on:
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===== Mentimeter quiz on: =====
** [https://www.mentimeter.com/s/c9233944c727b849b270bfa51bc71283/10b7d24bf1c7 CityGML Energy ADE for you... ]
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* [https://www.mentimeter.com/s/c9233944c727b849b270bfa51bc71283/10b7d24bf1c7 CityGML Energy ADE for you... ]
** [https://www.mentimeter.com/s/c9233944c727b849b270bfa51bc71283/369d61b8e1c6 Priorities for the next semester?] : Make ADE test cases!
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* [https://www.mentimeter.com/s/c9233944c727b849b270bfa51bc71283/369d61b8e1c6 Priorities for the next semester?] : Make ADE test cases!
* Activity  
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===== Activity : =====
** Activity (measured on GitHub activity) is not constant; attendance to workshops is diminishing -> Would be nice to integrate work on energy ADE into projects, to have time and budget (work on ADE is not only standardization, but also interoperability)
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* Activity (measured on GitHub activity) is not constant; attendance to workshops is diminishing -> Would be nice to integrate work on energy ADE into projects, to have time and budget (work on ADE is not only standardization, but also interoperability)
** Many companies/countries are interested, but not necessarily active… -> Build interest through common publications for example
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* Many companies/countries are interested, but not necessarily active… -> Build interest through common publications for example
* Organisation
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===== Organisation : =====
** Wiki page: http://en.wiki.energy.sig3d.org  
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* Wiki page: http://en.wiki.energy.sig3d.org  
** 4 working groups with each 2 coordinators:
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* 4 working groups with each 2 coordinators:
** Building physics: Romain & Mostafa
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* Building physics: Romain & Mostafa
** Occupancy: Piergiorio & Giorgio
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* Occupancy: Piergiorio & Giorgio
** Energy use and systems: Moritz & Silvia
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* Energy use and systems: Moritz & Silvia
** Time-dependant data: Alexandru & Kanish
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* Time-dependant data: Alexandru & Kanish
** Technical committee in charge of XML schema: Joachim & Elisa
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* Technical committee in charge of XML schema: Joachim & Elisa
 
Problem: there are often collisions between several issues  
 
Problem: there are often collisions between several issues  
* Process:  
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===== Process: =====
** General:
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* General:
*** Issue created on Github
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** Issue created on Github
*** Discussion ongoing, including a feedback from technical committee which has the global overview
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** Discussion ongoing, including a feedback from technical committee which has the global overview
*** When discussion has found a consensus, add a “validated by WG” tag
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** When discussion has found a consensus, add a “validated by WG” tag
*** TC: Go to modelisation
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** TC: Go to modelisation
*** WG: actualize guidelines in the corresponding Github branch, including examples (doc/guidelines/Guidelines_EnergyADE.md, linked to figures in /fig)
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** WG: actualize guidelines in the corresponding Github branch, including examples (doc/guidelines/Guidelines_EnergyADE.md, linked to figures in /fig)
*** If need be: feedback from WG, changes by TC
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** If need be: feedback from WG, changes by TC
** Github branches:
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* Github branches:
*** Master branch = current validated version (today 0.8)
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** Master branch = current validated version (today 0.8)
*** When new branch (0.9) is stabilized (including guidelines), merge it to master branch
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** When new branch (0.9) is stabilized (including guidelines), merge it to master branch
*** NB: make new branch the default branch, but make the releases clearly visible on the frontpage
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** NB: make new branch the default branch, but make the releases clearly visible on the frontpage
* Deadlines:
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===== Deadlines:=====
** mid-June: Github issues
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* mid-June: Github issues
** July: draft modelisation (Joachim)
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* July: draft modelisation (Joachim)
** end-July: edit guidelines by WG (in parallel to modelisation) -> edits can be suggested directly into issues, so update is easy and quick a validation by all
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* end-July: edit guidelines by WG (in parallel to modelisation) -> edits can be suggested directly into issues, so update is easy and quick a validation by all
** Mid-August: release of .xsd and guidelines
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* Mid-August: release of .xsd and guidelines
* Timeline for v1.0? Before v1.0 there needs to be testing on real case tools… we need to accelerate on this in upcoming semester
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===== Timeline for v1.0 : =====
** Proposals for modeling changes:
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Before v1.0 there needs to be testing on real case tools… we need to accelerate on this in upcoming semester
*** Energy and system
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* Proposals for modeling changes:
*** Q/ how to integrate simulation data? With Dynamizer module?
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** Energy and system
*** Q/ management of codelists -> WG
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** Q/ how to integrate simulation data? With Dynamizer module?
* Apache license 2.0:
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** Q/ management of codelists -> WG
** Objective: protect our development, before it becomes an OGC standard
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===== Apache license 2.0: =====
** Implications: anyone can use it, but need to integrate a specific text in header of documents (text quotes license and participant organisations with email contact)
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* Objective: protect our development, before it becomes an OGC standard
** In order to go forward:  
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* Implications: anyone can use it, but need to integrate a specific text in header of documents (text quotes license and participant organisations with email contact)
*** Mustafa needs an explicit email agreement from each participant partner
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* In order to go forward:  
*** We need to agree on which organizations should be quoted in license (some participate to workshops but are not active, and some are active but do not participate to workshop) -> criteria proposal: regularly active on Github, reactive to emails (to be discussed further)
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** Mustafa needs an explicit email agreement from each participant partner
* Next meeting: Karlsruhe
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** We need to agree on which organizations should be quoted in license (some participate to workshops but are not active, and some are active but do not participate to workshop) -> criteria proposal: regularly active on Github, reactive to emails (to be discussed further)
** Options: 7, 8, 14, 15 November; 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 December
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===== Next meeting: Karlsruhe =====
** Provide feedback to Romain on availability
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* Options: 7, 8, 14, 15 November; 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 December
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* Provide feedback to Romain on availability
  
  
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==== CityGML: standard and practical examples in Germany ====
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==== Codelist concrete implementation ====
<b>[mailto:Volker.Coors@hft-stuttgart.de Volker Coors]</b> (HFT Stuttgart)<br/>
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<b>[mailto:luca.giovannini@dedagroup.it Luca Giovannini]</b> (Dedagroup Public Sector & Utilities)<br/>
<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:20161124_Ferrara02_VolkerCoors_CityGML-Germany.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
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<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:WG_Occupancy_-_Codelists.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
* Introduction to CityGML
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* 3D City models in Germany
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Working document on [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QosN8dEW757ht1OqTdTOicw2Yy57syTqrXZA3tcAVUY/edit#gid=928437924 Google doc]
* SimStadt
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===== To do : =====
* Future work: Simulations as a Service for citizens
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* Link to be added in GitHub readme
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* Add a column “source” or “reference”
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* Verify English translations
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* Discuss unclear points
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* Designate one person per language
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===== Discussion: =====
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* BuildingTypeValue:
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** Source: physical architecture typology comes frome TABULA project (now EPISCOPE)
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** Issues: Make all labels identical: “XX building”
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* Agree on high-level values -> plan an online meeting (Usman, Lydia CSTB, Emilien CSTB, Romain, Mariam, Joachim)
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* Create expanded version (subvalues) for more clarity, precision? -> discussion on subvalues for next version
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* CurrentUseValue:
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** Source: Geomark city project
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* See: CityGML codelist (Joachim to provide URL link)
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* EnergySourceValue:
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** Work on definitions needed -> all
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* OccupantTypeValue:
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** Work on definitions needed -> all
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* OfficialAreaReferenceValue:
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** Issue: not one national way to measure net surface -> should use possibility to define surface type
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==== CityGML: standard and practical examples in Austria and Italy ====
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==== Store Energy Simulation results / inputs ====
<b>[mailto:Giorgio.Agugiaro@ait.ac.at Giorgio Agugiaro]</b> (Austrian Insitute of Technology)<br/>
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<b>[mailto:joachim.benner@kit.edu Joachim Benner ]</b> (KIT)<br/>
<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:20161124_Ferrara03_GiorgioAgugiaro_CityGML-Austria-Italy.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
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<i>Presentation:</i> [[media:KIT-Proposals-EnergyADE.pdf| PDF file]] of the slides<br/>
Modelling cities in CityGML: Experiences from two case studies.
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===== Issues : =====
* Italy (project EnerCity in Trento): LoD2 model generated from footprints and Lidar data by means of BuildingReconstruction Software by VirtualCitySystems (after automatic process, 40% of buildings must be corrected manually). Estimated effort to extend the 3D modelling to the whole city of Trento: 2-3 persons over 1 year<br/>
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* Automatic generation of a diagram legend -> optional character string “thematicDescription” in TimeSeriesProperties (a dataType does not have a gml_name!)
** Creation of the 3D city model
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**        WeatherData -> need to be aggregated in a WeatherStation
** Enrichment of the 3D city model
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** Q/ generalization to noise etc.? -> this is domain specific (inside Energy ADE)
** Estimation of buildings' energy performance
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** Q/ what if sensor inside building? -> not weather…
* Austria (project Ci-Nergy in Vienna): estimated effort to complete data integration for the whole city: 5 persons over 1 year
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** Q/ context can sometimes have a big impact on measurements -> add a human-readable description for all additional info
** 3D City model
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** Q/ will there be a Sensor module in CityGML 3.0? -> No…
** Data sources
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* EnergySimulationResults: metadata, link to raw data, …
** Data integration issues
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** Q/ what conceptual difference between simulated and measured data? -> none, but it is difficult to work on too generic feature types -> Pb: some simulation outputs are inputs for other simulations -> this is simulation metadata (input data, simulation model used, date…)
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** Add a code snipet, or contact person?
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** Value: can be Measure or TimeSeries -> include only aggregated values in CityGML? -> Pb: co-simulation needs the extensive simulation results
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* -> Need to look into the Sensor ML (with metadata, sensor can be real or virtual) + Observations ML (supports external references), which are parts of Sensor Observation Service -> dedicated WG/online meeting on simulation results and measurements (Kanish, Joachim, Pascal, Romain) + create a milestone on Github linked to all related issues, with definition of both “measurements” and “results”
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Revision as of 12:53, 5 June 2017

TODO List

WHAT WHO WHEN
Make new branch the default branch, but make the releases clearly visible on the frontpage ASAP CSTB
Agree on partners listed in the licence ASAP All WG leaders
Give written accord to the Apache Licence ASAP All listed partners
Feedback on availability for the next workshop : Options November 7, 8, 14, 15 or Decembre 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ASAP All partners
Codelist : Agree on high-level values. Plan an online meeting Before next workshop Luca, Usman, Lydia CSTB, Emilien CSTB, Romain, Mariam, Joachim
Dedicated WG/online meeting on simulation results and measurements + create milestone on Github Before next workshop Kanish, Joachim, Pascal, Romain
Testing automation : create stand alone sample files with explicit names to be used in the guidelines Before next workshop All WG


Notes

Presentations and Minutes

Welcome on behalf CSTB + Presentation of Activities of CSTB relying on CityGML

Pascal Schetelat (CSTB)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Brief welcome
  • Presentation of CityGML related work at CSTB
    • unification of data models across domain specific studies
    • developing custom ADEs for specific simulation tools’ needs, integrated to public ADEs when worth sharing
    • biggest challenge: filling the gaps in data! Not reading it!
  • Presentation of EveBIM software:
  • CSTB Wishlist :
    • a nice way to store ADE files in database
    • a material module independent from energy ADE for cross domain studies -> not planned as yet
    • unique ID reference for materials, collecting all domain specific parameters. On independent ADE -> on unique ID, ongoing work: referent = Thomas Kolbe
    • idem, independent module for occupancy module -> not planned as yet

Report on the last semester (All WG leaders)

Romain Nouvel (HFT Stuttgart)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

Mentimeter quiz on:
Activity :
  • Activity (measured on GitHub activity) is not constant; attendance to workshops is diminishing -> Would be nice to integrate work on energy ADE into projects, to have time and budget (work on ADE is not only standardization, but also interoperability)
  • Many companies/countries are interested, but not necessarily active… -> Build interest through common publications for example
Organisation :
  • Wiki page: http://en.wiki.energy.sig3d.org
  • 4 working groups with each 2 coordinators:
  • Building physics: Romain & Mostafa
  • Occupancy: Piergiorio & Giorgio
  • Energy use and systems: Moritz & Silvia
  • Time-dependant data: Alexandru & Kanish
  • Technical committee in charge of XML schema: Joachim & Elisa

Problem: there are often collisions between several issues

Process:
  • General:
    • Issue created on Github
    • Discussion ongoing, including a feedback from technical committee which has the global overview
    • When discussion has found a consensus, add a “validated by WG” tag
    • TC: Go to modelisation
    • WG: actualize guidelines in the corresponding Github branch, including examples (doc/guidelines/Guidelines_EnergyADE.md, linked to figures in /fig)
    • If need be: feedback from WG, changes by TC
  • Github branches:
    • Master branch = current validated version (today 0.8)
    • When new branch (0.9) is stabilized (including guidelines), merge it to master branch
    • NB: make new branch the default branch, but make the releases clearly visible on the frontpage
Deadlines:
  • mid-June: Github issues
  • July: draft modelisation (Joachim)
  • end-July: edit guidelines by WG (in parallel to modelisation) -> edits can be suggested directly into issues, so update is easy and quick a validation by all
  • Mid-August: release of .xsd and guidelines
Timeline for v1.0 :

Before v1.0 there needs to be testing on real case tools… we need to accelerate on this in upcoming semester

  • Proposals for modeling changes:
    • Energy and system
    • Q/ how to integrate simulation data? With Dynamizer module?
    • Q/ management of codelists -> WG
Apache license 2.0:
  • Objective: protect our development, before it becomes an OGC standard
  • Implications: anyone can use it, but need to integrate a specific text in header of documents (text quotes license and participant organisations with email contact)
  • In order to go forward:
    • Mustafa needs an explicit email agreement from each participant partner
    • We need to agree on which organizations should be quoted in license (some participate to workshops but are not active, and some are active but do not participate to workshop) -> criteria proposal: regularly active on Github, reactive to emails (to be discussed further)
Next meeting: Karlsruhe
  • Options: 7, 8, 14, 15 November; 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 December
  • Provide feedback to Romain on availability


Codelist concrete implementation

Luca Giovannini (Dedagroup Public Sector & Utilities)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

Working document on Google doc

To do :
  • Link to be added in GitHub readme
  • Add a column “source” or “reference”
  • Verify English translations
  • Discuss unclear points
  • Designate one person per language
Discussion:
  • BuildingTypeValue:
    • Source: physical architecture typology comes frome TABULA project (now EPISCOPE)
    • Issues: Make all labels identical: “XX building”
  • Agree on high-level values -> plan an online meeting (Usman, Lydia CSTB, Emilien CSTB, Romain, Mariam, Joachim)
  • Create expanded version (subvalues) for more clarity, precision? -> discussion on subvalues for next version
  • CurrentUseValue:
    • Source: Geomark city project
  • See: CityGML codelist (Joachim to provide URL link)
  • EnergySourceValue:
    • Work on definitions needed -> all
  • OccupantTypeValue:
    • Work on definitions needed -> all
  • OfficialAreaReferenceValue:
    • Issue: not one national way to measure net surface -> should use possibility to define surface type

Store Energy Simulation results / inputs

Joachim Benner (KIT)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

Issues :
  • Automatic generation of a diagram legend -> optional character string “thematicDescription” in TimeSeriesProperties (a dataType does not have a gml_name!)
    • WeatherData -> need to be aggregated in a WeatherStation
    • Q/ generalization to noise etc.? -> this is domain specific (inside Energy ADE)
    • Q/ what if sensor inside building? -> not weather…
    • Q/ context can sometimes have a big impact on measurements -> add a human-readable description for all additional info
    • Q/ will there be a Sensor module in CityGML 3.0? -> No…
  • EnergySimulationResults: metadata, link to raw data, …
    • Q/ what conceptual difference between simulated and measured data? -> none, but it is difficult to work on too generic feature types -> Pb: some simulation outputs are inputs for other simulations -> this is simulation metadata (input data, simulation model used, date…)
    • Add a code snipet, or contact person?
    • Value: can be Measure or TimeSeries -> include only aggregated values in CityGML? -> Pb: co-simulation needs the extensive simulation results
  • -> Need to look into the Sensor ML (with metadata, sensor can be real or virtual) + Observations ML (supports external references), which are parts of Sensor Observation Service -> dedicated WG/online meeting on simulation results and measurements (Kanish, Joachim, Pascal, Romain) + create a milestone on Github linked to all related issues, with definition of both “measurements” and “results”

CityGML and urban energy simulations

Romain Nouvel (HFT Stuttgart)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Urban energy simulation – for who? for what?
  • Example of energy analyses at city scale
  • What is required to run these analyses?
  • SimStadt Building Typology library

CityGML Energy ADE: objectives and state of development

Romain Nouvel (HFT Stuttgart)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Main objectives of the Energy ADE
  • Activities of the Energy ADE Working Group
  • Energy ADE Team: Size and Visibility, Organization, Dissemination, Development
  • CityGML Energy ADE Guidelines
  • Links with other OGC standards
  • Past workshops

Energy-related data at building level: examples and issues

Piergiorgio Cipriano (Sinergis - Dedagroup Public Services)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Standards for interoperability
  • 3 projects and data issues
  • Practical questions and some conclusions

Energy ADE: Building Physics module

Romain Nouvel (HFT Stuttgart)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Working Group Organization
  • Activities over the last 6 months
  • Open issues

Energy ADE: Occupancy module

Piergiorgio Cipriano (Sinergis - Dedagroup Public Services)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Working group organization
  • Activities over the last 12 months
  • General feedbacks on ADE v0.7 and future
  • Occupancy example
  • Data sources
  • Open issue
  • Code lists management (INSPIRE Registry)

Energy ADE: Systems module

Moritz Lauster (E.ON Energy Research Center)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Working Group Organization
  • Activities over the last 6 months
  • General feedbacks on ADE
  • Open issues

CityGML Dynamizer

Mostafa Elfouly on behalf of Kanishk Chaturvedi and Prof. Thomas H. Kolbe (Techcnical University Munich)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Introduction to Dynamizer
  • New Feature Type
  • How to work with dynamic values?
  • Handling Timeseries using OGC TimeseriesML 1.0

European Union Location Framework - Energy pilot project

Francesco Pignatelli and Giacomo Martirano (European Commission - DG JRC)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Geospatial technologies fuel the data economy
  • The role of INSPIRE
  • ISA, EULF, ISA2, ELISE
  • Overview of EULF Pilots (Transport and Marine)
  • The EULF Energy Pilot

Domain Extendable 3D City Models

Zhihang Yao (Techcnical University Munich)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Extending CityGML
  • Data management of 3D City Model
  • General idea for extending 3D CityDB
  • Example
  • Ongoing and future work

CityGML and Solar Potential Analysis for Buildings in Singapore

Xu Le (Solar Energy Research Institute - National University of Singapore)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides
In 2014, a LOD2 model of whole Singapur has been generated. SERIS has used it to simulate the solar potential with a 1 sqm meshing.

  • Introduction of SERIS
  • Capabilities from SES cluster
  • Motivation and Background
  • Methodology
  • Case studies
    • Rooftop PV potential
    • Solar Insolation for Buildings with full 3D implementation
    • Automatically Modelling LoD from 2 to 3

Consclusions and next steps

Romain Nouvel (HFT Stuttgart)
Presentation: PDF file of the slides

  • Towards Energy ADE 0.8
  • Energy ADE Team – Integrate new contributors
  • Next workshop?
  • Dissemination