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K.H. Haefele: Should be “cost” taken into account in UML? How it should be integrated? (All costs are here considering, including financial costs, grey energy, emission cost needed etc.)
 
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>>> R. Nouvel: Cost information is not specific to materials. Therefore it should not be part of the material ADE. Maybe later a Costs ADE could be developed
 
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R Nouvel: In the current ADE Materials version of KIT (like in gbXML), Thickness is part of the material parameters. In most simulation models and some international formats (ifc), thickness is associated with layers while materials contain only parameters proper to it (conductivity, volumetric capacity etc.). Could we rather consider this modelling way.
 
R Nouvel: In the current ADE Materials version of KIT (like in gbXML), Thickness is part of the material parameters. In most simulation models and some international formats (ifc), thickness is associated with layers while materials contain only parameters proper to it (conductivity, volumetric capacity etc.). Could we rather consider this modelling way.
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L. Giovanni: What represent the occupancy schedules?
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>>> J-M.Bahu: occupancy schedule is a normalized schedule (0 to 1: 1 corresponding to the maximal indicated person number) representing the presence of the occupant in a zone/building. It is important in particular to calculate the intern gains
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P. Riederer: What is the purpose to integrate occupancy and indoor climate set-point schedules in the CityGML file? This file is going to be very heavy?
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>>> R. Nouvel: Hourly schedules are necessary inputs for the dynamic simulation. A possibility would be to use external links in order to connect CityGML file with an external database with hourly values.
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Someone: Which energy system parameters should be standardized in the ADE Energy?
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>>> R. Nouvel: This is a trade-off between restrictive general information data and very detailed (and less used) information data. Each ADE Energy participants should specify which parameters, among those they use to model energy system, could be of interest for another model of the same energy system.
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* Required Metadata
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Volker Kraut: All participants of the other Working groups should supply a list of required metadata for specific parameters.

Revision as of 15:19, 4 November 2014

2nd Workshop CityGML EnergyADE - Karlsruhe, 30th of October 2014


Next Steps - TODO List

WHAT WHO WHEN
Provide Feedbacks on the current UML Schemas (see Community Portal) ALL participants
Nov 2014
Finalize the ADE Energy UML Schema, based on the different Feedbacks HFT (Bruse, Nouvel)
1st week Dec 2014
Write ADE Energy XSD Schema EIFER (Nichersu), CSTB (Tournaire)
Dec 2014
Implement XSD Schema in Simulation tool/platform
Write test CityGML file
RWTH Aachen, EPFL, SINERGIS, CSTB, TUM, HFT
Jan - Feb 2015
Start simulation based on test CityGML file
Iterative process with feedbacks
RWTH Aachen, EPFL, SINERGIS, CSTB, TUM, HFT
Mar - Apr 2015
Come to next workshop with results ALL participants
Mar - Apr 2015

Presentations

Presenters (Organisation) Presentations
Jean-Marie Bahu
( EIFER Karlsruhe )
Energy ADE Workshop - Introduction
Dr. Gerhard Gröger
( Univ of Bonn - Geoinformatics)
Energy Aspects of the INSPIRE Building Model
Dr. Joachim Benner, Karl-Heinz Häfele
(KIT Karlsruhe)
Proposal of a Material Extension for the EnergyADE
Romain Nouvel
( HFT Stuttgart )
Report of the Activities of the Building Physics Group
Romain Nouvel
( HFT Stuttgart )
Report of the Activities of the Energy Systems Group
Jean-Marie Bahu
( EIFER Karlsruhe )
Report of the Activities of the Building Occupants Group
Volker Kraut
( M.O.S.S. Taufkirchen )
Report of the Activities of the Metadata Group

Discussions

Energy Aspects of the INSPIRE Building Model - Dr. Gerhard Gröger
  • Overlapping risks between ADE INSPIRE and ADE ENERGY

R. Nouvel: is there some risks of redundancy between the ADE INSPIRE developped currently (in particular by Mr. Kolbe) and our ADE ENERGY?
>>> J. Benner: There is no semantic or low-level semantic overlap between them.

Material module for ADE Energy - Joachim Benner
  • Specific Window Object

K.H. Haefele: Window may be considered as a generic construction. Is an additional window model required?
>>> M. Launer: For dynamic energy simulation, a specific window model, including window shading and window opening is actually needed.

  • Consideration of costs

K.H. Haefele: Should be “cost” taken into account in UML? How it should be integrated? (All costs are here considering, including financial costs, grey energy, emission cost needed etc.)
>>> R. Nouvel: Cost information is not specific to materials. Therefore it should not be part of the material ADE. Maybe later a Costs ADE could be developed

M. Petit: in costs, currency and unit parameters could be combined in a unique parameters.

  • Consideration of indoor air quality

Same consideration that for costs. This is not specific to materials.

  • Material texture / visualization

K.H. Haefele: there are some risks that the texture displays in an uncorrect orientation. Should we add an explicit visualization information?

  • Material Thickness

R Nouvel: In the current ADE Materials version of KIT (like in gbXML), Thickness is part of the material parameters. In most simulation models and some international formats (ifc), thickness is associated with layers while materials contain only parameters proper to it (conductivity, volumetric capacity etc.). Could we rather consider this modelling way.

Occupancy module for ADE Energy - Jean-Marie Bahu
  • Schedules

L. Giovanni: What represent the occupancy schedules?
>>> J-M.Bahu: occupancy schedule is a normalized schedule (0 to 1: 1 corresponding to the maximal indicated person number) representing the presence of the occupant in a zone/building. It is important in particular to calculate the intern gains
P. Riederer: What is the purpose to integrate occupancy and indoor climate set-point schedules in the CityGML file? This file is going to be very heavy?
>>> R. Nouvel: Hourly schedules are necessary inputs for the dynamic simulation. A possibility would be to use external links in order to connect CityGML file with an external database with hourly values.

Energy System module for ADE Energy - Romain Nouvel
  • Standard parameters of Energy Systems

Someone: Which energy system parameters should be standardized in the ADE Energy?
>>> R. Nouvel: This is a trade-off between restrictive general information data and very detailed (and less used) information data. Each ADE Energy participants should specify which parameters, among those they use to model energy system, could be of interest for another model of the same energy system.

Metadata module for ADE Energy - Volker Kraut
  • Required Metadata

Volker Kraut: All participants of the other Working groups should supply a list of required metadata for specific parameters.